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April 26, 2004

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Jim Spath

"Most sites set a temporary cookie on machine when I log in so that the site remembers that I am logged in when I visit a different page on that site(eg hotornot.com, whizspark.com, forbes premium). Those sites cannott set the cookie if there is frame."

That's actually incorrect. If the site has it's P3P policies (privacy) setup correctly, then the cookies will be accepted. That said, MOST sites do not have it setup correctly, so you still have a good point here.
http://www.w3c.org/P3P/

Sites could also implement frame-busting javascript. I do this on one of my companies sites, since we have alot of clicks coming from hotmail.

Anyways... I like your idea. It would save everyone alot of hassle. You should add it to:
http://www.petitiononline.com/

Peter Caputa

Jim.... Thanks for the feedback. I will look into the p3p policy. Do you know what version browser will accept this?

It is also from a programmers perspective, that it bothers me. But, I figured I'd leave that out of the petition because it'd confuse people.
I know that you can programmatically break the frame using javascript and I do that. But, I was trying to break a frame, set a cookie and redirect.

I believe that the javascript executes last. And therefore, the frame wasn't broken before trying to set the cookie. So, it didn't set. I spent a few days trying to figure this out for something on whizspark to work correctly. i finally had to change the approach.

Do you think following the p3p guidelines would solve my problem? That'd be great if it did.

Thanks Jim. This is a huge help!

I'll also add this to petitiononline if it doesn't get picked up by the blogging community.

Jim Spath

I think IE6 and newer Mozilla/Netscape versions accept P3P.

Following the guidlines will solve your problem... but P3P is not the easiest thing to setup correctly, having gone through the painful process myself. If you want some help on it, feel free to drop me a line at my work email address: jspath_AT_focalex.com

Philipp Lenssen

I really hated, hated that frame too. Especially because I could not see the real URLs in HTML newsletters I received. And I sometimes blog about the links I am send via newsletters.

But then again, I already switched to Gmail, and though I agree that's a bit painful (reminding 500 people to update their contact information on you), it was worth it.

Good luck with your request... as for me, I already wrote my farewell letter to Hmail, and that's the last they'll hear from me:

http://blog.outer-court.com/farewell-to-hotmail.html

Noreen Whysel

If you are concerned about your employer finding inappropriate mail in your company email account, how do you feel about your personal email being stored indefinitely on a searchable database. I'm not naive. I understand that any email that goes through the internet can be intercepted at some point. But stored permanently on a commercial site? I like being able to delete mail that I don't care to ever see again.

Peter Caputa

I've added the petition to petitiononline.com
Here it is: Sign the Remove Hotmail Frame Petition Thanks for the recommendation Jim!

Phillip, Your death of hotmail prayer is funny. I linked to it in a new post.

Noreen, I guess I am not really afraid of getting fired at work over personal email. It was a bit of a dramatization. I just like to keep them separate.

As far as being able to delete your email, I assume you are talking about gmail. I read an interview with Sergey Brin where he said it'll eventually be deleted... just not right away. I think it is a fair trade-off for them ensuring that there is a backup of it somewhere. I am not communicating any top secret information anyways. So, I am not too worried about it personally.

Donald

I have blogger account and I never got a gmail invite, can someone be kind to give me a gmail invite? i'm also sick of hotmail crap of an e-mail service.

Donald

I have blogger account and I never got a gmail invite, can someone be kind to give me a gmail invite? i'm also sick of hotmail crap of an e-mail service.

J Keefe

Going on a decade with Hotmail myself. Just posted to the petitiononline effort. Very well argued case here -- against one of the most preposterously self-defeating, or otherwise pointless annoyances and promo attempts ever devised. Good example of too many upstart webby marketing types drinking too many free cokes while vying for tenure in Redmond maybe? How else can you explain it. Thanks for this effort. Jim.

brkonthru

It seems that they have actually removed it!

Can someone else confirm this ?

peter

i believe they have. a little while after writing this, I received a fairly anonymous email saying that they are changing it. I think they also pointed me to something on channel 9 about it. Good for MS. Listening to us? Or just changing their application to fit with a smarter users?

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